The SSD (Holy Grail) can finally be YOURS !

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Re: The SSD (Holy Grail) can finally be YOURS !

Post by Frankf » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:32 am

Looking at the 2 PSU photos Jesse posted, I'm not even sure which one I have. The newer PSU seems to have one long and one short heatsink: is that the most noticeable difference?
I can't see a part no. on mine, just the ERL number on the top and a serial no. on the side.

As others have mentioned, the fan seems to be in the wrong place, as it's blowing (weakly) left-to-right across the HD/SSD towards the PSU. If I were brave, I would move it over to the far right-hand side of the Fusion, and then drill or cut some holes in the right-cheek, as someone else did. There's definitely enough room to put it right next to the PSU so that it would blow hot air straight through the drilled holes.

As Parametric says, the Fusion is seriously lacking in vent holes of some kind.

It's also worth noting that the fan is mounted on a metal baseplate, which seems to be part of the Fusion, so I guess you'd have to leave the baseplate where it is and use some copper paste to glue the fan somewhere else. Has anyone tried moving the fan? Any tips? I'd like to have a go at this. :-)
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Re: The SSD (Holy Grail) can finally be YOURS !

Post by Frankf » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:14 pm

parametric wrote: Doubtless there IS an (undocumented) limit on size the OS will deal with?

The OS seems to require FAT32 - perhaps preformatting to FAT32 before the DSP sees it may help? I can't recall WHAT condition NEW IDE drives arrive in before you unseal the bag (if I ever knew? :lol: :lol: ).

Sorry to bang-on, Frank, but I like to WIN in these little contests :wink:

Oh, while I was searching I found this place http://cidyzoo.com/akai.htm might be of interest for DSP24 stuff?

It MIGHT be worth asking Akai - tho' I guess the DSP24 is longtime legacy by now. . . . ? I have to say it looks like GOOD bit of kit - they seem to have thought of everything - even PROPER ADAT 8-track.

The Fusion has ADAT optical out as you know - but its a weird combination of main outs, aux outs and sends :shock: which is strange, as Alesis invented ADAT :lol:

As you say, an SSD would be just perfect for the DSP24 . . . . .

further deliberation needed, I feel :wink:

[Jeez! I just can't leave it alone! - I just found this http://dpsworld.vibestudio.net/viewtopi ... 8cabcc0f86 Might be worth an enquiry for greater detail . . . . ?]

Perhaps you CAN go to the Ball - after all? 8)

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Thanks for all of that info, Para: the DPS24 is indeed a great, but sadly under-developed machine. I've PMed you so as not to hijack this topic. :-)
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Re: The SSD (Holy Grail) can finally be YOURS !

Post by mstsfreak » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:00 pm

Ok guys, with some needed delay, here is the description of how i built in the SSD in my Fusion 6HD:

http://www.synthstudiodevries.com/page.php?25

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Re: The SSD (Holy Grail) can finally be YOURS !

Post by Jesse » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:03 pm

Very nice Bert :)
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Re: The SSD (Holy Grail) can finally be YOURS !

Post by parametric » Sat Jul 05, 2014 1:33 am

mstsfreak wrote:Ok guys, with some needed delay, here is the description of how i built in the SSD in my Fusion 6HD:

http://www.synthstudiodevries.com/page.php?25
That's a VERY nicely done description Bert - and thanks for the mention 8)

Now we have a 6HD procedure! 8)

Very surprised to learn the ext. SATA does work . . . . It didn't for me, but its alarming to hear that the external drive format command, formats BOTH drives.
That's VERY naughty :oops: . . .

If only we could get inside the bios and fix it . . . .

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Post by mstsfreak » Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:36 am

parametric wrote:
Very surprised to learn the ext. SATA does work . . . . It didn't for me, but its alarming to hear that the external drive format command, formats BOTH drives.

Yes, it recognizes the external drive, but sees it as internal, very strange!

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Post by Frankf » Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:44 am

A very professional job, there, Bert! Those bolts are a bit more serious-looking than my superglue efforts. :oops:
Does anyone know what the 2 strips of metal tape covering the IDE drive are for? (You can see both strips on page 9 of Bert's instructions.)

I've assumed that the long strip that covers the ribbon cable is to shield the cable from electrical interference, and that the short strip with the screw holes is some kind of earth, as mine was deliberately wrapped around a metallic screw-hole on the side of the IDE drive.
With this in mind, I've made sure the long strip covers the ribbon cable as far as the connector on the SSD, and I've wrapped a bit of the short strip around a metal screw-hole on the SSD as well.

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Re: The SSD (Holy Grail) can finally be YOURS !

Post by sonicwarrior » Sat Jul 05, 2014 2:00 pm

What's the point in getting an adapter board instead of a cable (like the Delock 82695) when it doesn't fit in the mounting holes?

Btw. for German users the Transcend SSD can be had a bit cheaper from Reichelt (at least if you buy something else there because shipping costs are added):
http://www.reichelt.de/?ARTICLE=134881

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Post by Jesse » Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:24 pm

sonicwarrior wrote:What's the point in getting an adapter board instead of a cable (like the Delock 82695) when it doesn't fit in the mounting holes?

Btw. for German users the Transcend SSD can be had a bit cheaper from Reichelt (at least if you buy something else there because shipping costs are added):
http://www.reichelt.de/?ARTICLE=134881
That adapter cable would work sonicwarrior, but you still need a way to attach the drive inside the Fusion, I suppose Velcro tape could work :) or drill holes in the bottom of the Fusion to attach the drive like Bert did.
Every one has a different approach, the more idea's the more options we all have. I would like to install a swappable drive bay to keep from opening up the Fusion to replace the hard drive, this also allows for easier experimenting with various storage media. :)
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Post by Frankf » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:52 pm

Here's another option - is it a baseplate, is it a cable, no, it's a.........................connector!
http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B000IFS ... UTF8&psc=1

I've just replaced the cable adapter with this, so it works.
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Post by Jesse » Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:19 pm

Nice Frankf, I am glad to see all the activity and different idea's :)
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Post by parametric » Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:26 am

Jesse wrote:I would like to install a swappable drive bay to keep from opening up the Fusion to replace the hard drive, this also allows for easier experimenting with various storage media. :)
I did have a poke around for this while I was finalising the SSD project, but did not find anything suitable.

I'm thinking 2.5" SSD-sized. I think in any event, it's going to be SATA - which presents THE problem . . . . .

With Bert saying he got the external SATA socket working - I wonder if it could be brought INSIDE - to a caddy-type arrangement?

A "letter-box" slot on the rear of the Fusion, next to the existing Drive.

I have a SATA caddy on my Desk-Top PC - that accepts 3.5" bare drives, but I've NOT seen one for 2.5" . . . .

Closest is a Drive "copy-station I have" which can accept 3.5" or 2.5" in BOTH "Holes" . . .

http://www.integralmemory.com/news/inte ... rives-ease

It's designed to work "stand-alone" but does have a usb option to use it as an external drive . . . so not REALLY good for the Fusion, although the 2.5" hardware is inside - just not in a form that's easy to adapt . . . :roll:

I find it hard to believe that what we are looking for has NOT been developed yet :shock:

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Re: The SSD (Holy Grail) can finally be YOURS !

Post by parametric » Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:49 am

Jesse wrote:I would like to install a swappable drive bay to keep from opening up the Fusion to replace the hard drive, this also allows for easier experimenting with various storage media. :)
Maybe THIS is of (some) interest? http://uk.startech.com/HDD/Adapters/2-5 ... 25SATSAS35

But will depend on sorting the SATA problem out .. . . . :roll:

[EDIT - THIS may be better . . . http://uk.startech.com/HDD/Mobile-Racks ... T2510U3REM

Or even here: http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-har ... %28sata%29]

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Post by Jesse » Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:16 am

parametric wrote: With Bert saying he got the external SATA socket working - I wonder if it could be brought INSIDE - to a caddy-type arrangement?
I was able to get a SATA II drive on line in diagnostic mode and test it, but it was not visible in running mode.

I would like more info on Bert's eSATA connection, what type of HD he used and if he could see and format the hard drive in running mode and to know which boot version he has.

I purchased my Fusion for $1800 before it was available on the market after reading the Keyboard Magazine review and watching the 05 winter NAMM review. I have boot version 1.00
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Post by mstsfreak » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:10 am

I have boot version 1.10 of nov. 9th 2005.

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