SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

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SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

Post by parametric » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:24 pm

I wonder if this one would work?

http://www.dhgate.com/solid-state-drive ... 13003.html

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Re: SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

Post by Jesse » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:31 pm

I have the time, I just don't have the money right now, but If I did I would try the 64 GB drive to save some money, I have only used about 10% of my 40 GB hard drive as it is.

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Re: SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

Post by parametric » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:42 am

Yes - on reflection, I think thats probably sensible - the 128 is on the high side of reasonable.

I don't know if you noticed a recent hike in HD prices - due I'm told to major flooding somewhere where these things are made - but a major supplier here seems to have have started quoting prices again (rather than "phone for prices") and even some price cuts . . . :shock:

Perhaps things are getting back to normal?

I bought two of these 80GB WD drives as spares for the Fusion 12 moths ago from these guys - they were on special at around £35 each http://cpc.farnell.com/western-digital/ ... is%20Range

guess we're not quite there yet

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Re: SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

Post by mstsfreak » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:20 pm

Should this work? http://www.satacables.com/html/sata_to_ide_adapter.html
It is a IDE (supporting PIO-mode) to SATA convertor. Maybe a SATA-SSD would work this way?

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Re: SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

Post by parametric » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:53 am

Re-awakening this old thread -

I've just seen this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-8-IDE-PATA- ... 4603277efc
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Which at least is IDE . . . .

64Gb falls between the Fusion's usual configuration (40 or 80GB) so is a decent compromise IMHO.

Spec within the ad does imply that a 128GB version exists (which I guess the Fusion would use 120GB (allowed by OS 1.24))

The four pins on their own right at the bottom, have a moveable jumper which (looking at the spec) could be to change the voltage from 3.3 to 5 . . . . .

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Re: SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

Post by Jesse » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:46 am

Interesting, but a lot of fine print from the seller and long delivery times

I'll research this from other more reliable and probably more reputable sources

Worth looking into, I might be able to check out some thing like this in late spring or early summer 8)

SSD prices are starting to drop, making this a feasible project :)

If it works a swapable drive bay would be installed to make things a little more user friendly

Interesting topic about SSD drives here http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/26670 ... i-question

Transcend solid state drive - 64 GB - IDE
http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-solid-s ... 08-8889068
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Re: SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

Post by Jesse » Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:12 pm

CF cards are getting Faster, another possibility for $10 or $12 plus CF card(s)

Syba Best Connectivity 2.5" IDE 44-pin to Dual Compact Flash Adapter
http://www.amazon.com/Syba-Connectivity ... _cp_7_87JC
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Re: SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

Post by parametric » Thu May 02, 2013 12:04 pm

Hi Jesse,

Don't know if you've seen these? Looks like a good solution for the Fusion, hopefully NO interface hassles AND the price is nearer to reasonable than has been of late . . .
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KingSpec-128G ... 53f76c5f9d

I recently upgraded my ASUS eeepc 901 Netbook with KingSpec drives and would report that they seem to run flawlessly. These were mini pci-e "cards". The original machine had a C: drive of just 4GB and a D: drive of 8GB - and came with XP installed.

It now has a 32Gb C: Drive and a 128GB D: drive.

I am very pleased with the outcome - as the C: drive replacement required virtually complete disassembly.
It worked first time on reassembly - and no screws left either!

I have installed Ubuntu 12.04 on it with the /home partition on the D: Drive - so the machine appears to have a 160GB drive now.

There even appears to be bit of a speed bonus too.

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Re: SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

Post by Jesse » Fri May 03, 2013 12:13 am

Sounds good, hopefully come July or August 2013 I will be able to afford to try this 8)
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Re: SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

Post by mstsfreak » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:07 pm

I don't know if an ssd would work on the Fusion, because ssd drives tend to become slower after a while without the so called TRIM command. The TRIM command erases (resets) deleted sectors on the drive, so that windows etc. knows which sectors on the drive are empty. Looks a bit like defragmenting.

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Re: SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

Post by Jesse » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:37 pm

mstsfreak wrote:I don't know if an ssd would work on the Fusion, because ssd drives tend to become slower after a while without the so called TRIM command. The TRIM command erases (resets) deleted sectors on the drive, so that windows etc. knows which sectors on the drive are empty. Looks a bit like defragmenting.
Thanks, the more input we have the better chance we have of making it work, but without the needed bios support from Alesis we may not be able to make it work :(

I believe I will focus on getting a SATA drive to work first, a fast SATA drive will probably produce as good a performance as an SSD drive because of the IDE (PATA) interface that is used on the Fusion
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Re: SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

Post by Jesse » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:16 pm

mstsfreak wrote:I don't know if an ssd would work on the Fusion, because ssd drives tend to become slower after a while without the so called TRIM command. The TRIM command erases (resets) deleted sectors on the drive, so that windows etc. knows which sectors on the drive are empty. Looks a bit like defragmenting.
If we could get a SSD drive to work we might have to back it up, reformat and reinstall the backup volume folder once in a while.

Some thing to consider when trying to use a SATA Hard Disk or SSD drive whether you try the external SATA connection or use an IDE to SATA connector internally SATA drives are either
SATA I 1.5 Gb/s
SATA II 3.0 Gb/s
SATA III 6.0 Gb/s

The drives probably should be jumpered to SATA I 1.5 Gb/s in order to work with the Fusion.
This can be done on hard disk drives, I am not sure about SSD drives.
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Re: SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

Post by moozle.downunder » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:59 am

mstsfreak wrote:I don't know if an ssd would work on the Fusion, because ssd drives tend to become slower after a while without the so called TRIM command. The TRIM command erases (resets) deleted sectors on the drive, so that windows etc. knows which sectors on the drive are empty. Looks a bit like defragmenting.
I'm thinking it should be fine, TRIM or no:
- Compared to the rate of change on the average computer disk with an OS on it I would have thought the Fusion should be way less active, so it would take longer to be a problem.
- Any decent SSD is going to run rings around the old 40GB hard disk so it's going to have to slow down a lot to become a problem.
- Some SSDs implement some form of housekeeping even without this command.

Of course the other problem is finding PATA SSDs, not many out there (and why on earth did Alesis provision an eSATA port and then use IDE for the internal disk?!). I see OWC still make one (http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/ ... Legacy_Pro) but it isn't cheap compared to their SATA models. You'll also need to use a 2.5" to 3.5" adaptor kit that includes the power and possibly data cable converters.

Alternatively an IDE-to-SATA adaptor might well work - they're not perfect but I wouldn't expect the Fusion to be doing anything so exotic that might run afoul of compatibility. Reviews I've read on the net suggest the Addonics one (http://www.addonics.com/products/adsaide.php)is fairly reliable, it's just a matter of whether it and a 2.5" disk with adapter tray fits in the space available, height-wise.

I'm quite keen to investigate this when I've got some spare coin - I've got a Dell D830 with a Samsung 470 SSD that absolutely howls along so I reckon an SSD would make boot and sample load times considerably less. At the very least I would like to try a retrofit 2.5" HDD to drop the load on the power supply a little while making some space for air circulation for cooling. Just a little wary about pulling apart a working keyboard.. :)

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Re: SSD - (that OTHER Holy Grail?)

Post by Drummond » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:14 pm

I've been reading about the use os SSDs to replace Akai MPCs hard drives. I'm pointing this out as there seems to be quite a few internal similarities between the mpc5000 and the fusion (power supply, display, memory expansion etc) what makes me think they might share some solutions. MPC guys have been using IDE to SATA converters with success. Some report lock ups when loading large banks and others don't have problems. The IDE to CF card adapter is also a nice working way to do it as CF cards are quite fast now and should not be a botteneck. And might be cheaper.
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Post by Drummond » Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:40 pm

Trying to find more info on this I came across this topic http://fusioneer.proboards.com/thread/2 ... eplacement in which the user pev69 says that the sata connection in the fusion uses an ide to sata adapter, which is a jm20330 chip. That makes me think that this probably is the right adapter to use to install a ssd or a regular sata hard drive. That converter/adapter is cheap on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-5-40Pin-male- ... 2579af90cc. I'll order one soon (it will take up to 2 months to arrive to me though, because of brazilian customs) and try it. I know parametric tried an adapter and it didn't work but maybe there are only certain chips which will work and the JM20330 might be the right one.
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