Too Many Sounds?

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Too Many Sounds?

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My fusion when I add a program from a new bank i just added to song will automatically switch to another lower numbered program

I have 480 programs in this one bank so im guessing this is the problem? Should i break em down to no more than 128 or a little more?

Has anyone encountered this problem??

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playboy354 wrote:My fusion when I add a program from a new bank i just added to song will automatically switch to another lower numbered program

I have 480 programs in this one bank so im guessing this is the problem? Should i break em down to no more than 128 or a little more?

Has anyone encountered this problem??
When I selected a particular bank from Sonar a while ago, it would switch to a different bank.

I realised that this was because I had a bank with no actual programs in it (ie an empty bank).

I don't know whether this could be your problem (perhaps this is also the case when using the Fusion's internal sequencer).

Hope this helps,

Paul

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Ok, I think ive figured it out...The fusion seems to have a limit of 255 programs in one bank

Imma split the bank in half and see if that works

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playboy354 wrote:Ok, I think ive figured it out...The fusion seems to have a limit of 255 programs in one bank

Imma split the bank in half and see if that works
I don't think that's correct.

I seem to recall that I've had over 300 working programs in a bank before I split them!

You can have hundreds of samples in a bank, so why would they limit the number of programs.

Did you look into my empty bank theory?

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Note: See Alesis Fusion Reference Manual Rev. C page 31

The maximum practical number of items per bank (folder) is 128

Each bank (folder) can contain more than 128 (000 to 127) items, but it is not recommended to do this because:

1. You will not be able to access items 129+ using the quick access buttons A through P and 1 through 8 :(

2. You will not be able use MIDI to make a program change for items 129+. :(

The only way to access items 129+ is by using the control wheel or the INC/DEC buttons :(
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yeah . . .

Jesse is perfectly correct . . . .It's bizarre, but true . . .

as far as Midi is concerned, it's 1-128 (or 0-127 whichever nomenclature you're used to)

IIRC, Joeri's VStream_02 bank has MANY more that 128 programs . . . . . (Perhaps MovinPro is the same - I don't remember)

As Jesse says - The Fusion can load and PLAY programs >= 128, no problem - perhaps that's all you need?

BUT if you want to call them via midi, then they need to be split up.

It need some enterprising Soul to split them up and create a second Bank where needed . . . .

Always meant to tackle this but never got around to it. :roll:

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parametric wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:58 am
Always meant to tackle this but never got around to it. :roll:
I always do this when the opportunity arises. When I find a useful sound above 127 and plan to use it in a song, I copy it to a bank created for exactly that purpose. This way I avoid to make it an unnecessary big project.

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Btw. I can explain the bank change issue when addressing program change values above 127.

Bank and program changes work as one 14 bit value. If you add one to 127 you get 128, which is outside the seven program change bits but is the 8th bit, which is the first bank change bit.

Let's try to visualise it:

Code: Select all

Bits
|-------Bank-------------------------|-----Program--------------------|
   14   13   12   11   10    9    8    7    6    5    4    3    2    1
|-------Values--------------------------------------------------------|
 8192 4096 2048 1024  512  256  128   64   32   16    8    4    2    1
    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    1    1    1    1    1    1    1 =64+32+16+8+4+2+1=127 (program change 127)
    0    0    0    0    0    0    1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0 =128 (bank change 1)
It is clearly visible that values above 127 lie in the bank change area and thus change the bank.

To those readers for whom this is too detailed and think "Why does he think he has to explain bits to us": Please take my excuse and don't complain, there sure are a few people who are not familiar with this stuff. Thanks.

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